Posts by Doubting Bro

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Some information

by cedars in

here is some information.. the following prospectus seems to give evidence that the watch tower society is attending an investment conference less than a month after their november 8th court date over the bond motion (see page 4, bottom right).. http://www.imn.org/2012/etm1324/pdfs/etm1324_prospectus.pdf.

read into that what you will.. i would rather not pass comment in case i am accused of sensationalism.. .

cedars.

Doubting Bro

Yup, looks like the Chief Investment Officer (overseer?? LOL) is attending. Nice place as well.

From a business prospective, this makes all the sense in the world since the WT globaly with all their different corporations I would imagine has sizable invested assets.

From a WT teaching prospective, this seems to be making the most of this system. Is that brother going to be attending meetings in Scottsdale while on his business trip? I hope he's bringing his wife least he be tempted to access the in-room adult movies.

It's really a do as I say not as I do sort of organization.

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JW Tragic murder was by JW

by snare&racket in

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/report-holt-heichel-were-members-of-same-church-175169201.html.

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how sad......

Doubting Bro

UC - I know man. You're right. And I wonder if that blogger has some sort of JW factor in her own life?

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Why can't the WTBTS just let people go ?

by DATA-DOG in

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why not just let people leave honorably?

what would it hurt?

i don't get it......

Doubting Bro

I believe they are afraid that their numbers would drop too much. Also, they would lose their membership in the CULT club if they acted like a normal religion. I think shunning is a key characteristic in running a cult so it's kinda hard to let folks just walk.

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JW Tragic murder was by JW

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

http://www.katu.com/news/local/report-holt-heichel-were-members-of-same-church-175169201.html.

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how sad......

Doubting Bro

Boy, that seems to be a one sided piece of "journalism". We don't know what happened yet or the motivation behind Whitney's killing. When I first saw that Holt was also a JW, I wasn't shocked because this seemed to me like it wasn't random. I'm sure the police will sort things out and they'll need a little time to do so.

But, for a blogger to be openly accusing her of having an affair is over the top. It's one thing if you have evidence but I haven't seen anything like that yet. I've seen some here speculating along that line too and I'm just appalled.

Good God. This poor 21 year old young woman was killed in cold blood. Her husband, her family, and her friends have lost someone dear to them. Can you imagine someone in her family reading this crap??? I know if I were her husband, I'd be tempted to get violent.

I'm not a JW fan either but have some human decency. Let's figure out why this psycho (this word applies whether it turns out to be Holt or it turns out to be someone else) killed her before making all these speculative allegations.

BTW - that statement must have come directly from the WT legal deparment with all of its wording about how they're not to blame. Damn it WT, why does it ALWAYS have to be about you???

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Please read

by JeffT in

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friends

my father passed around 9 this morning.

he'd been in poor health for some time, but it still comes as a shock to have him gone.

we are going to miss him terribly.

Doubting Bro

Jeff, so sorry about your loss.

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City Contributes $150,000 to Jehovahs Witnesses Convention

by TJ Curioso in

city contributes $150,000 to jehovahs witnesses convention .

by ariella montioctober 22, 2012 | posted in: city council, news, the latest | 0 responsesduring a closed session a month ago raleigh city councilors approved a $150,000 contribution to the christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses convention that will be held next year at the pnc arena.. the city has been contributing money toward the event since it first came to raleigh seven years ago.. this is not new, said city manager russell allen.

he said the event has been built into the citys annual budget for awhile.. the approval came during a closed session after the regular sept. 18 city council meeting.

Doubting Bro

It would be so easy to send a RBC crew to help one weekend with a Habitat for Humanity house. It wouldn't cost them a thing and would be good PR. There is no way they are not going to comply for 150k??

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City Contributes $150,000 to Jehovahs Witnesses Convention

by TJ Curioso in

city contributes $150,000 to jehovahs witnesses convention .

by ariella montioctober 22, 2012 | posted in: city council, news, the latest | 0 responsesduring a closed session a month ago raleigh city councilors approved a $150,000 contribution to the christian congregation of jehovahs witnesses convention that will be held next year at the pnc arena.. the city has been contributing money toward the event since it first came to raleigh seven years ago.. this is not new, said city manager russell allen.

he said the event has been built into the citys annual budget for awhile.. the approval came during a closed session after the regular sept. 18 city council meeting.

Doubting Bro

I just saw this as well. I agree that its not all that unusual for cities and vistors bureaus to contribute to things like this. However, I'll bet the WTS keeps the cash while asking for donations to cover the entire amount. For the city, it seems like they're still getting a decent deal.

BUT, I love the fact that the city council wants JWs to do ACTUAL charity work. Cleaning the center is fine and it does certainly lower the cost but this part is awesome "providing support or volunteers for a local Habitat for Humanity project, Helping Hands Mission relocation or a food or clothing drive for one of the city’s food banks or shelters. The group could suggest its own partnership, but it must be approved by the City Council."

You know as well as I do that the WTS will comply given how much they love money. I wonder how they'll do it? I think it would be great if other cities followed Raleigh's lead and put some more strings on giving groups like JWs financial assistance so they can hold their meetings/conventions.!!

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

Doubting Bro

Just read all 8 pages and I appreciate everyone's contributions to this article. I feel that its extremely important to get every detail as accurate as possible because we all know that JWs will jump all over the slightest error to discount the entire article. The bottom line is that the Conti verdict is by far their worse loss in recent history and could be their worse loss ever. Even if its overturned on appeal, I know several JWs that are still talking about it and the PR hit is there and impacting current JWs. Not saying that I know anyone who has left over it but I have had people speak with me confidentially that were once strong JWs who are seeing the WTS as nothing but another religion due to the scandal.

Obviously they need to take this as far as possible because if they end up losing all their appeals, the precedent will have a big financial impact on their operations and they most certainly understand that. This isn't about the 11 million but about the future loss suits, in my opinion.

My opinion is that they're using Patterson as surerty to save the 86k. If they didn't have the money to pay the verdict, they wouldn't have done that. If I were them, I would do the same thing. I'm not sure I'd read too much into that portion of it but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Good job!

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I will be having a talk tomorrow at our special assembly day

by Most Noble in

our special assembly day is tomorrow, although, i dont live in the states though but still, i wont put the theme of my talk up here; you never can tell, but, i will be mentioning some of the main points i will be highlighting.

1) how jehovah views secular education.

2) what should we be doing now with our precious time, considering that we are living at the finishing line of our relay race.. 3) are we heeding to the instructions given by jehovah's bride?'.

Doubting Bro

If the Holy Spirit cared about what was going on in WT-land, why is an active elder who has been selected to give a part on a SAD posting on this site???

Most Noble, I've been in similar situation. You're not alone and it will get better.

Meanwhile, be sure to post a review of the special KM school that will happen soon!!!

Welcome to the board by the way.

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Watch Tower Property Sell Off Wiki List:

by frankiespeakin in

Doubting Bro

Thanks for the list. I didn't realize 2012 was so busy for sales. I'm sure I've seen them all, but when you see it in one list, it really makes an impact.

100 Billion, no way they have that much in property. Several billion? Sure, I believe that but not 100 billion.

You know, even though they sold the property in a down market, think of how much money they made on each one. Bought low, fixed up with volunteer labor and while they didn't sell at the top, I'll bet they made a killing. Also, no capital gains taxes!!

From a business perspective, it makes sense to move to a lower cost venue. There's really no value in having Brooklyn anymore since they're not shipping all over the world from there.

I think they over expanded on the property side and are now "right sizing". Just like consolidating the various branches. I do see it as a sign of decline or at the very least an admission that their expansion has slowed down to the point where they don't think they're going to grow much more.